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Post by Phil Sousa on Aug 15, 2007 15:45:41 GMT -5
LOL if you want to buy that kind of fun, why dont u get a Ps3 and get their f1 2006 game. I found that pretty easy. Maybe it suits you.
Phil
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Post by dt on Aug 15, 2007 15:46:31 GMT -5
Well your Choice MS, i guess you have to find another F1 mod which is easy as hell and it's fun to you. This fsone gives me best fun i have ever had with f1.. yesterday at france was a real blast.. looks like from onboard videos
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Post by Phil Sousa on Aug 15, 2007 16:55:19 GMT -5
If i was rude. Sorry, But that donation blackmail comment gets me mad. Like i would care about some 20 bucks from one person to change a whole mod.
Phil
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Post by vincentmarre on Aug 15, 2007 17:52:21 GMT -5
Hi everyone ! I have been looking over all topics, I did not find a right answer for it. It's about the Real Feel... Could you all from now tell in your Topic if Yes or No your are using the Real Feel ? That could be very usefull for the nexts improvements. Because most of you are talking about "Handling"; so this is the reason why you should tell it. Thx to FSONE for their fantastic job anf for their Passion for Formula 1. ++ www.vincentmarre.com
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Post by dt on Aug 15, 2007 17:54:54 GMT -5
Hey mate, no I don't use RealFeel... i don't really like it much. I love my own edited .ini file it gives me best ffb settings hehe. I think it doesn't work good with RealFeel plugin and fsone because our suspension is not designed with that program for it to work.
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Post by guiferrarissimo on Aug 15, 2007 17:59:35 GMT -5
You finally did it !!!! Great physics (the best so far) and quite obviously, the more realistic to date: these are apropriate physics for a Formula One era in which young kids come and win in their first season (and yes, I don't like Lewis Hamilton lool ). On-topic again: thanks for your hard work and please make a really good FSONE 2007!!!!! Happy for you ;D Really, I don't understand it... did you guys made v1.52 just because you received all the complaints or because you think it was a necessary update? If you think not, you shouldn't have released it. Somewow, I got the idea that FSONE made another update just because the "NOOBS" (which are the major part of us here, and I properly think that many of us are sim-racing for some years) wanted it. Apart from all this, v1.52 is really better than the previous version: it feels like a real 2006/07 F1. Simply as it is.
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Post by chipwich on Aug 15, 2007 18:02:07 GMT -5
vincentmarreI've been using Real Feel with my G25 for a few days now and it works pretty well. Still working on settings, but this should get you in the ball park. Logitech settings Rotation: 299 Overall Effects Strength: 115 Spring Effects Strength: 0 Damper Effects Strength: 0 Centering Spring Strength: 0 rFactor Settings FFB Strength: 60 FFB Effects: Low RealFeel ini Settings MaxForceAtSteeringRack=1500 SteeringDamper=2500 FFBMixerRealFeelPercent=100
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Post by dt on Aug 15, 2007 18:06:53 GMT -5
Hmm, not really... we spotted some problems ourselves, but yes people complaining made us to really look closely onboard videos with overlays etc.. so we did that and we saw that it flat underpower in real, and they press full throttle just when they hit apex, with v1.51 it was impossible because engine was too powerful and we wanted wheel spin without tc. v1.52 no wheel spin without tc, but with tc it's flat like in real.. rear doesn't slide when you press full throttle. Also we had to make some fixes we spotted, tires, drag, front wing drag, engine HP etc. So yeah, we didn't release that because of many people complaining and we don't want to please everyone, we want most realistic physics. Right now there are some people still complaining about physics, but we wont change it anymore. 2007 mod will be done 100%. Physics base is going to be the same as in v1.52 and i can tell you that it's going to be very similar to what you have right now. We won't do any fixes for our 2007 mod just because some people are not happy, or can't handle f1 car. Hope it makes everything clear for you.
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Post by guiferrarissimo on Aug 15, 2007 18:10:33 GMT -5
Hmm, not really... we spotted some problems ourselves, but yes people complaining made us to really look closely onboard videos with overlays etc.. so we did that and we saw that it flat underpower in real, and they press full throttle just when they hit apex, with v1.51 it was impossible because engine was too powerful and we wanted wheel spin without. v1.52 no wheel spin without tc, but with tc it's flat like in real.. rear doesn't slide when you press full throttle. Also we had to make some fixes we spotted, tires, drag, front wing drag, engine HP etc. So yeah, we didn't release that because of many people complaining and we don't want to please everyone, we want most realistic physics. Right now there are some people still complaining about physics, but we wont change it anymore. 2007 mod will be done 100%. Physics base is going to be the same as in v1.52 and i can tell you that it's going to be very similar to what you have right now. We won't do any fixes for our 2007 mod just because some people are not happy, or can't handle f1 car. Hope it makes everything clear for you. Yapp, and you surely have a good base to start the 2007 physics!!! No need in the future to updating all the time. Keep up the good work!!!
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Post by MS7XWDC on Aug 15, 2007 19:13:35 GMT -5
I've had PS3 & F1 since December, that's not the point. 1.3 was fun / challenging. I'd pay to have a 2007 w 1.3 physics. 1.4 was too easy. 1.50 / 1.51 went too far from 1.4 I simply would not race it enough. 1.52 is better, but still not something I'd pay for in a 2007 mod. it's not a threat ...... when you had 1.3, I was happily saying I'll contribute to your 2007 mod, figuring I'd be racing on it alot. not so with 1.52. it's your mod, of course, to make your way, but i don't understand how a mod group could release 1.4 and 1.52 as they are so radically different. certain guys complained 1.4 was too easy, you changed it. i have the same right to complain that 1.52 doesn't lead to as much actual 'racing' as 1.3. [and I DO like a challenge, 1.4 was too easy, but I spent time racing, not endless hours hoping to find a magic setup / tip-toeing around the track like 1.52] i had no issues w/ 1.3. the 'elites' will always be faster, but for the regular drivers like me, i'd rather be 3 seconds back and in control of the car [reasonably], than be 3 sces back and 'tpi -toeing at every turn. just my $.02
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Post by dt on Aug 15, 2007 19:23:58 GMT -5
Hey, I get your point really. You want something like 1.3 which is way too fast, i was doing 1.14s at Hungaroring, with v1.52 im in 16s 2.5 seconds slower which is nice, and has good grip more understeer than v1.3 which was very easy, same as v1.4 was very easy like v1.3 but it had even more rear grip, so i was using 20-1 wings at USA and owning everybody with crazy top speed of 350 kmh. We are not here to make bussiness, we are not going to be richer if couple people donate lets say 50 bucks maximum, i doubt someone would do it tho.. We work hard to make best physics as possible judging from real onboard videos etc. I'm really sorry that it is too challenging for you, but for more most people i think it's not :S Anyway we can't please anyone. And we are not selling the game here... only couple people donate couple dollars i think so we dont make good amount of money. It's actually sad that we don't get payed for our hard work, but for example its my passion to make something more realistic and enjoyable to play, cuz just simply real racing is impossible atm for me, because i got no sponsors... so I and the team try to make something realistic and nice. And the best physics in the game as possible. Sorry if it doesn't fit your needs.
Anyway we posted on the forum of the best simracing league in the planet "FSR". Already some people tested and they said they are pretty impressed and they are going to test more after this weekends race. So i think to hear from these kind of people is good, because they know what they are talking and really into it.
cya..
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Post by bkircher on Aug 15, 2007 19:46:14 GMT -5
thank you ms!!!! i would love to have a 2007 based on 1.3!!!! again, i had no issues with 1.3, love it. as u all know i think it is the best update for 06.
but for phil who is concerned about the ranking and hf, why dont u when the time comes upload the final, pack with stock physics for everyone on rfactorcentral, and then here at the site in the downloads section have different packs with different physics?
that is what this one group does for airplanes for flight sim. they have physics for beginners and one for experts. i could easily see that for fsone
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Post by MS7XWDC on Aug 15, 2007 20:00:09 GMT -5
so, dt, you are saying you'd rather have the 'elites' be happy, instead of the 'non-elites'. fine by me, but having a 'standard' physics, and a separate 'elite physics' pack seems like an easy to please nearly everyone. ======================== i just downloaded the ISI 2007 BMWand with the default setup totally, could feel that it was challenging, but more stable than 1.52. i'd pay for that feel in an '07 mod. how about a standard physics with all teams having the ISI BMW physics, and a separate 'Elite Physics Pack' for the elites
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Post by dt on Aug 15, 2007 20:15:51 GMT -5
ISI 2007 BMW is more challenging.
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Post by Phil Sousa on Aug 15, 2007 21:06:46 GMT -5
Yep ISI Physics is more chellenging.
BTW V1.3-V1.4 was done by me only. V1.52 was done by a group of people. Me Darius Danny, Derek Nye.
thats why you notice a big difference.
Phil
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