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Post by MS7XWDC on Nov 5, 2007 9:22:01 GMT -5
i haven't tested 1.8, I only have 1.7 until i get home tonite
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Post by Phil Sousa on Nov 5, 2007 9:33:00 GMT -5
Jonny is a beta tester for fsone07. But anyway Johnny im at work right now. Try the physics with suspheight=0.245 in the hdv. Let me know if that feels much better.
If not, I cannot do anything more. Simply put it this way.
In v1.7 it was all wrong. Undertrays were set higher in areas where it should be 0.0. (like isi bmw)
Ride height was set to 3.4 minimum in v1.7 Where F1 has the option to go down to 2.0cm But they never use that low anyway, cause it bottoms out. Kinda stupid to have minimum height being 3.4 where no one would use higher.
So in any case you must increase ride height + packers + work with tire pressure and springs to get lesser sparks and bottoming out issues. (like isi bmw)
Those are the only two things i changed other then the suspheight=-1. Maybe I should of left susheight=0.245 (like isi bmw has it on 0.245 which i never understood why)
Compare our physics to isi you'll see we're pretty close on the dot.
Yes we do need a map pack. Maybe I will start releasing maps on a weekly base. One By One, so the community can give me feedback, on them.
Like i said a year ago. rFactor community has a major issue with maps and bump values. They tend to say I'm wrong, but its the other way around. They have given mappers too much freedom.
Phil
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Post by Prenthouse on Nov 5, 2007 9:47:49 GMT -5
1. Maybe I should of left susheight=0.245 (like isi bmw has it on 0.245 which i never understood why) Phil Yes Phil, I think you should change this back!!!
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Post by nofe4r on Nov 5, 2007 10:09:36 GMT -5
Sorry Phil I do not need any Video or anything...
I just need my Motec and look what the car does, and its doin nothing like it should.
Even at medium speeds and 170N/mm Suspension with medium downforce the suspension is totally on the packers. That you dont bottom out when driving on 2,5cm packers is logical, I dont need a video for this.
Did you intent to drive on the packers? With such settings as you mention (FRH 3,4cm, packers 2,5mm) the suspension travel is much too short that anything would work. Guess where the bouncy driving over bumps come from? It is theoretically and practically impossible. There must be something really wrong with other values I don't know.
The grippy feeling must have something to do with downforce values or anything, maybe diffusor. It's not only at high speeds its everywhere.
I just want to give you some input as I have some theoretical background about car physics and some experience in open wheel race cars. No offence here. I think you are working so hard and I appreciate it, but if it feels and drives wrong I may tell you.
Regards
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Post by nofe4r on Nov 5, 2007 10:12:27 GMT -5
then you guys just stick with 1.52, simple really No, u wan't to know why? I think I already said in my first post. This Version 1.8 has a big pro and this is that you cant ride at 2.0/3.0 ride height with softest suspension and don't bottom out. Why do you tell me what version I have to use? This thread is called "feedback and reviews" - so I reviewed and give my feedback. Unless you are a developer of FSONE i don't mind what you think which version I should use and which not, thank you.
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Post by Phil Sousa on Nov 5, 2007 11:11:27 GMT -5
yes, your feedback is appreicated.
Phil
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Post by MS7XWDC on Nov 5, 2007 11:17:27 GMT -5
the funny thing, is that when I said 1.52 wasn't good, everone killed me & said "stay with 1.4, NOOB" i said 1.52 felt wrong, , everone killed me & said "stay with 1.4, NOOB" my feedback was not accepted as valid .. it was seen as: 'whining' 'poor driver' 'something must be wrong with you' 'go play a Playstation Console Arcade game' etc etc etc kinda funny that everything has changed, VERY far AWAY from 1.52 ======================= anyway, i LOVE 1.7 -- hope 1.8 feels the same, honestly .. but i feel a bit 'vindicated' that FSONE scrapped 1.52
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Post by Prenthouse on Nov 5, 2007 11:59:32 GMT -5
Phil, I think you should simply release v1.7 officially iso the change you made in v1.8! This will make 95% of the people happy! I'm affraid that with v1.8 you only get 50% happy! Have a good day...
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Post by Phil Sousa on Nov 5, 2007 12:04:49 GMT -5
heres the problem guys.
In Terms of physics.
(In the past we have done things improperly - Cheat way of fixing things. For example undertrays moved up to fix the bump thing.)
Right now in v1.8 the coding is all set properly. I think it does need a fix.
I need my team to work on it. I do not want to increase the undertrays (cheating way of fixing things). I want them to come up with a bump travel fix that sets things properly. (suspensions) Not incorrectly (cheap way of fixing things like moving up the undertrays.)
I want to do things the right way. (v1.7 was not the right way. We made ride height soo high, and we moved undertrays up too high when it should of been 0.0)
So hope everyone understands where I am coming from.
Phil
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Post by nofe4r on Nov 5, 2007 12:57:30 GMT -5
I understand what you are saying and it is good that you go a "clean" and logic way now. Take the time you need, if you dont want to update it again its okay, too. Then at least I will wait for 2007 Did you change the tire-grip-level from 1.52 to 1.8? I found the 1.52 tires perfect in terms of grip and feeling. The only thing was the suspension, esp. ride height, you know better than me... Regards
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Post by cosmo1973 on Nov 5, 2007 13:15:44 GMT -5
Tried v1.8 and I think it is very good. The car feels much more stable than in v 1.52. But yes the suspension does feel a little bit stiff. Over than than that great work!!
Looking forward to FSONE 2007.
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Post by Phil Sousa on Nov 5, 2007 14:01:59 GMT -5
No did not change the tires.
I listed the changes i did mate. I did not change very much. Underytrays + ride height seemed to change everything.
ohh and suspheight.
Thats pretty much all i have changed in hdv. It is probably cause ride height effected the overall grip levels, which is the logical explanation.
Phil
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Post by SchumiBCN on Nov 5, 2007 15:07:51 GMT -5
Installed the 1.8 over the 1.52 and everything went ok.
I haven't been able to check if the susps are enough to avoid sparks all the time as I've disabled them, but anyway, AI cars look too low, so they will probably produce lot of sparks.. anyway, I would recommend everybody to disable the sparks to get more realism as they aren't very real in rFactor and better not having them than having them all the time.
Regards,
SchumiBCN.
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Post by rcrazy on Nov 5, 2007 15:23:27 GMT -5
phil what is the difference between -1 & .245 on the suspension, give a explanation on this please
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Post by elmertje on Nov 5, 2007 15:34:24 GMT -5
just tried V1.8 on spa
compared to 1.7 the only difference i notice and feel is much more bumps and bottoming outs. if i use ride height like 3.5 front and 4.5 rear and packers 3 it feels better, and i can do almost the same laptimes as in V1.7. but i really dont like those high packers and ride height
So.. if u find a good bumptravel fix, this 1.8mod is really good
if u not find it, or it takes too long or something; i recommend to release 1.7 i know this mod was wrong because we used increased undertrays and stuf, but this feels much better than 1.8 for now
but offcourse, i hope u can find a good fix where we have normal undertrays and can use normal ride height,
good luck
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